there are laws and rules preventing the nsa from doing the awful things. there's no evidence that they have done it. will's never been a single identifiable example of a person who was e-mailing -- e-mail read or damaged by the nsa. >> do you buy that analogy of a police? give them guns and you can abuse guns but where they donor if they do they are punished to -- capacity, nsa, to listen in on 75% of our online communications. >> i don't buy that argument. this is about collecting information. we have a government that has repeatedly undermined our rust in washington. her saying don't worry, we have this covered. it is very hard for -- to put the american people in position where they have to choose whether they will trust the government or if they don't, they are going to be accused of, you know, not helping on the war on terror. >> the 75% figure is a capacity figure and what they are capable of doing. we knew they had that, something like that capacity. weigh don't listen to that. we have access, really, to about 1m 1.6% of these communications and sma